Mindless EDL thugs storm Muslim exhibition in Cradley Heath market (From Halesowen News)
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Mindless EDL thugs storm Muslim exhibition in Cradley Heath market
1:05pm Monday 17th October 2011 in News
The EDL at Cradley Heath market
A MUSLIM book stall in Cradley Heath market was stormed by over 25 thugs from the English Defence League this weekend.
The shocking attack occurred in front of shoppers, many of which were women and children, at the market at 2.30pm on Saturday.
The local Ahmadiyya Muslim book stall and Qur’an exhibition was attacked and volunteers were manhandled and abused by members of the Far Right organisation.
Shocked Ahmadiyya outreach worker Toby Ephram described the scene in the market.
He said: “About 25 of the EDL group stormed our stall in Cradley Heath pushing, shoving and threatening our members.”
“We have the book stall to raise awareness of our work in Britain and in the local community we are proud to be British Muslims and this incident saddened us.
“Our motto is ‘Love for All - Hatred for None’ and we do not meet violence with violence so we just stood there and did not respond to the provocation.”
He added: “I’d like to thank the police for responding to the problem so quickly and controlling the situation and we will be back as usual at the market on Saturday.”
Last week the News reported the Muslim group was setting up the stall and exhibition in a bid to ‘increase understanding and improve community cohesion’.
Halesowen and Rowley Regis MP James Morris condemned the incident and branded it an ignorant and mindless attack.
He said: “The people storming the stall may claim that they are defending their English identity, but tolerance for other people’s views and beliefs has long been a key part of what it means to be English.
“The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Cradley Heath actively works to help different sections of our society to live peacefully alongside each other, whatever their religion.”
He added: “This mindless attack is absolutely deplorable and can only have been caused by ignorance of the views and action of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community locally.”
A spokesman for West Midlands Police said: “We were called at 1.40pm with reports of people causing a disturbance in the Market Square area of Cradley Heath. “Officers attended the scene and the groups dispersed.”
On Boxing Day 2009 Cradley Heath Mosque and Islamic Centre in Plant Street was burnt to the ground by arsonists.
Comments(120)
Levi Stubbs
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5:00pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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5:12pm Mon 17 Oct 11
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garyfieness
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5:12pm Mon 17 Oct 11
garyfieness
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5:14pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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5:32pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Levi Stubbs
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6:12pm Mon 17 Oct 11
As a point of interest, the comments sections of newspapers are generally for you to give your views on the stories under which you post.
Mr r weale
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6:44pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Levi Stubbs wrote:Excuse me ?
I'm not altogether sure anyone is/is going to seek the destruction of their own race, Mr Weale, whether out of love or anything else.
As a point of interest, the comments sections of newspapers are generally for you to give your views on the stories under which you post.
Miss Richards
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7:07pm Mon 17 Oct 11
, have been tolerant to other religions and cultures. From my own studies of the Islamic Ideology it is obvious that the intolerance comes from their belief that any other religion or culture is subserviant to theirs. They claim they are victimised by almost everybody and use this falsehood to justify attacks on innocent people.
The book stall promoting Islam is just a sham to recruit the vulnerable and easily led into joining their intolerant religion. Lets not forget that they are the aggressors, they have killed and maimed inocent English people. Correct me if i'm wrong but to my knowledge no member of the English Defence League have ever carried out any large scale attrocities such as the ones perpertrated by Muslims throughout the entire world in the name of Allah. It's a fact that muslims are the aggressors. The peice I have just read in your newspaper implies a large scale assault on these poor defensless victims. If this was so why were there no arrests or injuries reported? I am sick of hearing in the British press that these hard working patriotic people are 'thugs' and 'mindless', and I suspect the history books will prove that they were the only true patriots who stood up against the muslim invasion of Britain
Arthur22
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7:54pm Mon 17 Oct 11
This story has been slanted so that a noisy protest is made to look like an attack.
We EDL are patriots, not thugs or far right.
Arthur.
vickyclementine
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8:02pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Miss Richards
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8:27pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Are you an inhabitant of Mars? Wake up and smell the coffee.
NBLTFC
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10:55pm Mon 17 Oct 11
Every EDL or pro British article anywhere n you guys can be found stirring it up.
I wouldnt usually comment on this as like yourselves Im not from this area so why not let the people of the area talk about whats going on in this country rather than have your far left non facsist facsist views imposed on everyone.
Exposing Jihad
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11:07pm Mon 17 Oct 11
But then again, who would have expected any different from the EDL. If they are brown and are talking about Islam, EDL will jump on them.
Exposing Jihad
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11:09pm Mon 17 Oct 11
satchman
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8:46am Tue 18 Oct 11
T13theobh
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9:42am Tue 18 Oct 11
Unbelievable bias.
dudley infidel
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9:49am Tue 18 Oct 11
Dangermouse1
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9:50am Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman
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9:55am Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman
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10:05am Tue 18 Oct 11
Arthur22
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11:22am Tue 18 Oct 11
Scotland Yard have said the EDL is not an extreme right wing group and you can bet they have looked very closely at EDL.
So stop that sort of mud slinging, it's not true, it's a gross untruth.
Arthur.
satchman
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11:25am Tue 18 Oct 11
garyfieness
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11:33am Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman
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11:38am Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman
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11:45am Tue 18 Oct 11
garyfieness
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11:57am Tue 18 Oct 11
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davesmith40
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12:03pm Tue 18 Oct 11
since when has a noisy patriotic protest been a 'shocking attack' with mindless thugs attacking people (nice work getting women and kids in the story).we will await all the police charges for the mindless attacks then shall we?
virtually all the english public there was in support of the EDL, so everyone actually there (unlike the writer...they were probobly still at school) knows this is completley made up.
luckily EVERYONE sees straight through these made up storys now and the writers do yet more harm to their already soiled image & warped anti british far left agenda.
satchman
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12:06pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman
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12:15pm Tue 18 Oct 11
garyfieness
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12:21pm Tue 18 Oct 11
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garyfieness
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12:31pm Tue 18 Oct 11
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davesmith40
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12:41pm Tue 18 Oct 11
deny the existence of islamic rape gangs and jihadists with british passports.deny the non integration of the islamics,they wont even donate blood in case it goes to a non muslim. its ok to be racist tho if your not white.
also id really ask how stupid you look when you squeal racist,racist,racist as the EDL has plenty of coloured members and lads that are married to coloured lasses.try you tube for the edl dudley speech off the rasta and indian lass for starters....jeez that was mega racist! dont fit the lefty agenda tho does it!
maybe the conservative councillor Blaine Robinson will point out to you how racist the EDL is?
sad little weak left wing self loathing empire apologists.
satchman
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12:54pm Tue 18 Oct 11
garyfieness
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1:07pm Tue 18 Oct 11
davesmith40
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1:07pm Tue 18 Oct 11
everything they say or do has RACE involved.
theyre the most racist people of all.
you really need to get your heads out of the sand wake up to whats going on in real life.
instead of squealing about facebook comments and loathing ones self in the mirror all day,try looking at a few pre iranian revolution videos on you tube.
try standing up for womens,kids and animal rights instead of been blinded by skin colour and left wing fantasy.
the far left are so mixed up its incredible.
satchman
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1:13pm Tue 18 Oct 11
davesmith40
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1:47pm Tue 18 Oct 11
im not a far left dole scrounger unlike some,ive worked for 29 years.
funny thing is EVERYONE at works of the same view.no sad leftys,just working class blokes.you know the ones your scared of.
vickyclementine
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3:12pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Arthur22, I can connect ABB the mas murderer of Norway to EDL very easily. He has the same hatred for the same religion and the same fears and paranoia as EDL. He was a member of their official website forum and spoke with EDL members of the same forum about their joint fears and racial hatred. He attended at least one EDL demo at London and highly likely to have attended more. He was as much a 'member' of EDL as anyone else is and until his day of madness EDL would have been very happy to include him and many others like him, in any count of EDL members. If they refuse to have a membership, then they have to accept that people like him are and will be linked to them. They can not have it both ways.
satchman
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3:18pm Tue 18 Oct 11
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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3:42pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale wrote:Mr r weale, the honest indigenous Brits do not go attacking other people, especially peaceful people like the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, who promote peace, loyalty, tolerance and respect. There is no excuse for this type of violent behavior. The majority of Muslims are peaceful but you don't get it. I don't believe that all British people are bad or racist just because a few people (minority) act like mindless thugs, therefore I plead to you not to label all Muslims as terrorist, as the Majority are very friendly, especially the Ahmadiyya Muslims, who have the motto "LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE"!
This is just the type of Bias journalism that creates division in our communities you all fall over yourselves to help the poor foreigner when they want to promote awareness, but when we have honest Indigenous Brits who are quite equally trying to raise awareness of what this countries leadership are doing to it then you ignore it. I shall be telling all my family and friends to boycott your paper and many of them will withdraw advertisements see how you like that.
QAhmad
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3:49pm Tue 18 Oct 11
As you can see from the picture of the stall the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was displaying a large Banner of its slogan:
"Love For All Hatred, For None"
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are peace loving Muslims, who are always trying to serve the country they live in. For example, in response to the Blood Donation allegation that davesmith40 raises; just recently our Community held a blood donation day at our Mosque in Birmingham.
The teachings of the Founder of the Community in his own words are as follows:
"Be kind and merciful to humanity, for all are His creatures:
Do not oppress them with your tongue, or hands, or in any other way. Always work for the good of mankind. Never unduly assert yourselves with pride over others, even those who are placed under you. Never use abusive language for anyone, even though he abuses you. Be humble in spirit, kind and gentle, and forgiving, sympathetic
towards all and wishing them well, so that you should be accepted."
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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3:59pm Tue 18 Oct 11
garyfieness wrote:I agree that the Majority of British people are very friendly and peaceful. I respect their values and decent nature. As an Ahmadi Muslim living in Britain it is my duty to be loyal and respectful to the country which I am living in i.e. Britain. So Hats off for all the Decent English people. I for one, absolutely do not believe, for even one second that those who attacked the exhibition represent the majority of British people.
I am not sure the Halesowen News website is going to miss the advertising revenue from a small group of racist small minded thugs Mr Weale. Where you involved in this disgusting attack? let us get one thing streaight, the EDL are not patriotic and they most certainly represent decent English people. There is not much you can do to spin this story in a good way so you may as well give up before you start.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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4:08pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale wrote:If you don't have a problem with Muslims, then sure as a compassionate Human Being you would condemn this violent attack on peaceful people, won't you? And I don't understand your "destruction of their own race" concept as religion has nothing to do with race. IF you had read the article correctly then you would have noticed that the "Shocked Ahmadiyya outreach worker Toby Ephram" is an English man, similar to your own race! Having different religions doesn't mean that we cannot unite as one nation. Why do you want to promote differences?
I don't have a problem with the Moslems Mr garyfieness I have a problem with people who promote the EVIL that is multiculturalism like this newspaper, your Government and it's followers who will seek the destruction of their own race in the delusion that they do it for love.
edl rowley member
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4:44pm Tue 18 Oct 11
how many of you who have made comments on here bases on what the halesowen news as wrote ?/
You should not belive every thing that is printed in papers , !!!! Im sure some where in your life you have counted the times you have read bull **** what papers have wrote when you have know the truth !!!
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:02pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Miss Richards wrote:How unfortunate it is that you didn't study Islam in depth, or you would have known the real truth. Islam literally means "Peace" and all of the stuff that you wrote is wrong. I agree that some (minority) of the So-called Muslims (because a person is not a Muslim, if he/she hurts or kills other people) have portrayed the wrong picture of Islam BUT the Majority of Muslims are not like that and are actually peaceful. If you had done a little bit of research than you would have found out that there are 73 divisions (sects) in Islam, one of which is the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, (http://www.alislam.
The English I believe,historically
, have been tolerant to other religions and cultures. From my own studies of the Islamic Ideology it is obvious that the intolerance comes from their belief that any other religion or culture is subserviant to theirs. They claim they are victimised by almost everybody and use this falsehood to justify attacks on innocent people.
The book stall promoting Islam is just a sham to recruit the vulnerable and easily led into joining their intolerant religion. Lets not forget that they are the aggressors, they have killed and maimed inocent English people. Correct me if i'm wrong but to my knowledge no member of the English Defence League have ever carried out any large scale attrocities such as the ones perpertrated by Muslims throughout the entire world in the name of Allah. It's a fact that muslims are the aggressors. The peice I have just read in your newspaper implies a large scale assault on these poor defensless victims. If this was so why were there no arrests or injuries reported? I am sick of hearing in the British press that these hard working patriotic people are 'thugs' and 'mindless', and I suspect the history books will prove that they were the only true patriots who stood up against the muslim invasion of Britain
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ons/73-09.html)
just like Christianity is divided into different sects (denominations) Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's Witness etc. So all the sects interpret the teachings of Islam differently. You cannot label all the Muslims as same, as I DON'T label all the Christians as Pedophiles just because some US bishop was charged with child-abuse (I understand that this action is against the teachings of Christianity, as I am an open minded person). I completely condemn the suicide bombings and terrorist actions done by some people who have the nerve to call themselves Muslims, but I urge you to understand that NOT all Muslims are the same. Most of them are peaceful and loving people, like the Ahmadiyyah Muslim community who have the motto "LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE" If you really want to know the truth about the Real Islam then go to these links: http://www.loveforal
lhatredfornone.org/?
gclid=CL_jv9jJ8qsCFc
RO4Qodkzv4wg
and
http://www.alislam.o
rg/introduction/inde
x.html
As far as this attack was concerned, as you could have seen from the article that “Our motto is ‘Love for All - Hatred for None’ and we do not meet violence with violence so we just stood there and did not respond to the provocation.” The police was called over there and they took control of the situation. You tell me! wasn't this attack on people who didn't carry any weapons and were defenseless? Don't you think there were the victims here, as they were only promoting peace and loyalty? Do you think that true patriotism means to mindlessly attack innocent people regardless of what they represent, just because they are Muslims? How does this represent the British values???? - This doesn't represent the true British values of equality and freedom!!!! The true decent British people are very friendly and also condemn any use of violence.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:13pm Tue 18 Oct 11
edl rowley member wrote:So attacking innocent people is the way that the EDL counters different beliefs! If that is not violence then what is violence?
Your all missing the facts about Saturday , There wasn't any violence or threats made what so ever , The English defence league was there to counter the religion of so called piece .
how many of you who have made comments on here bases on what the halesowen news as wrote ?/
You should not belive every thing that is printed in papers , !!!! Im sure some where in your life you have counted the times you have read bull **** what papers have wrote when you have know the truth !!!
First of all there are 73 sects of Islam, so all of them interpret the teachings of Islam differently, and second of all the community that the EDL attacked was in actual fact a truly peaceful community and was actually promoting peace! You would've found that out if you had managed to do some research. http://www.love4all.
org.uk/about/
Second of all this is a true incident as they were my brothers and uncles who were attacked here. So you better believe this story.
Violence is not the answer to any question!
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:24pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Arthur22 wrote:lets for a second believe that you are saying the truth, that "EDL was ONLY protesting". However, what were the EDL protesting against? Why were they protesting against a peaceful exhibition with a motto of "LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE"? Did the EDL not believe in Love for all? or did they want to encourage hatred for everyone? Did they not do there homework when they protested against a peaceful community? Did they do the mistake of thinking that all the Muslims were the same? Did they actually think that all the Muslims are bad?
EDL did not attack anyone, they held a noisy protest.
This story has been slanted so that a noisy protest is made to look like an attack.
We EDL are patriots, not thugs or far right.
Arthur.
satchman
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5:30pm Tue 18 Oct 11
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:30pm Tue 18 Oct 11
T13theobh wrote:As an Ahmadi Muslim I condemn all sorts of violence. Who ever attacked the BNP was in the wrong. Violence is not the answer to any questions!
I would like to know why the newspaper chose to report on this but not on the 'attack' on the BNP 3-4 weeks ago when our peaceful stall, which was campaigning for a referendum on this countrys membership of the EU, was surrounding by 20 UAF thugs? And why is there a reference to the arson attack on the mosque in 2009? It would appear you are suggesting both are linked. Will those who have commented in defence of the muslim group also defend the BNP? I think not.
Unbelievable bias.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:39pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman wrote:I absolutely agree with you, when I say that majority of the British People are very friendly and open minded! I am very proud to live in a country that promotes equality and fairness to all, as I have tons of non-Muslim British friends. It is great people like you who make us feel welcome and a part of this country. Thanks for your positive comment, and trust me when I say this that we Ahmadi Muslims are a peaceful community that believe in values like Equality, Peace, Respect, Loyalty, Freedom etc. We do not support any violence in any form and are completely against terrorism!
Love for all hatred for none..The EDL Can't do home work. Most of them couldn't put a sentence together. They see only hatred for all Muslims.They do NOT!! represent most of the British public.I would be ashamed to Be British if this were the case.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:39pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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5:46pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman wrote:Yes I do Satchman.
Mr Weale..So you think Multiculturalism is EVIL??
Mr r weale
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5:49pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman wrote:So what percentage of the entire world population is white Satchman, bet you don't even know or care ?
Davesmith40..racism comes in many forms. it's not just skin colour. It can be any minority group of people. So your members being rasta or even Indian don't really stop you from being racist,Although i would say it is your hatred of the Muslims that is higher on the agenda than racism its self.
Mr r weale
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5:51pm Tue 18 Oct 11
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE wrote:I refer you to my later post "Actually Levi I was talking about the BNP Out of The EU now petition that we set up 3 weeks ago that was disrupted by the UAF, a fowl mouthed bunch of misfits if ever I saw one. I have no truck with the EDL I think they're state sponsored just like the UAF to create community tensions, and this reporting is just as bad"
Mr r weale wrote:Mr r weale, the honest indigenous Brits do not go attacking other people, especially peaceful people like the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, who promote peace, loyalty, tolerance and respect. There is no excuse for this type of violent behavior. The majority of Muslims are peaceful but you don't get it. I don't believe that all British people are bad or racist just because a few people (minority) act like mindless thugs, therefore I plead to you not to label all Muslims as terrorist, as the Majority are very friendly, especially the Ahmadiyya Muslims, who have the motto "LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE"!
This is just the type of Bias journalism that creates division in our communities you all fall over yourselves to help the poor foreigner when they want to promote awareness, but when we have honest Indigenous Brits who are quite equally trying to raise awareness of what this countries leadership are doing to it then you ignore it. I shall be telling all my family and friends to boycott your paper and many of them will withdraw advertisements see how you like that.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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5:51pm Tue 18 Oct 11
dudley infidel wrote:How do you know that they were the same Muslims who were in the Dispatch's programme? Do you know that Islam is divided into 73 sects and that all of them interpret the teachings of Islam differently? Did you know that the Muslims attacked in this incident were actually peaceful and had nothing to do with assaulting children? In fact the issue that you are talking about is completely against our beliefs, as it is forbidden to hit children or beat them in Islam. So if someone misinterprets this teaching then it is there fault and it doesn't mean that all of us are the same.
These were the same Muslims who were on the dispatches programe assaulting children and telling them always make the kuffar walk in the road, there was no attack in Cradley Heath at all it was just a noisy protest, I loved how fast the police response was. My 82 year old mother was robbed in broad daylight last week and it took the police nearly two hours to stroll around.
As far as the robbery is concerned, I am really sorry about your mother, and I pray that she is alright.
satchman
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5:55pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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6:07pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman wrote:I don't care what you think Satchman, all minorities have a champion/spokesperso
Mr Weale..Why would I care? And you have just shown me with your comments that racism and multicultural hatred still exists in the BNP Party..Shame on you!!! True colours will eventually come out eh Mr weale!!! Oh and Multicultural doesn't just mean black and white.There are many cultures in this country of which I am proud to know and be a part of. Keep your Racist beliefs at bay!!!
n for what ever colour/race they are except whites. The total population of whites is 6% of the entire population and decreasing because of mass immigration and low birthrates, anyone in my eyes who promotes multiculturalism/mul
tiracial ism is a traitor to their own kind. I have no problem with any Immigrant that has made it to these shores apart from the illegals, good luck to them I say, however more and more are coming and abusing the system not to mention the brain drain that occurs in their own countries when students fail to return after tasting the lifestyle of the West.
satchman
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6:13pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Sandy Mc
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6:26pm Tue 18 Oct 11
http://www.reporting
thebnp.org/
Maybe check out RT news they look like they are a bit less left wing brainwashed bias bullshitters
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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6:27pm Tue 18 Oct 11
davesmith40 wrote:I am really saddened to see your views about Muslims, because it is not fair to paint everyone with the same brush. The things you have written are not what the Muslims are about. For your kind information our Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has held several blood donation days in different cities, and even I am a registered blood donor (less than 6% of the population are blood donors). And it is not alright to be a racist! What you have said about Muslims also comes out as racist remarks!
i see the self loathing left wing are out.
deny the existence of islamic rape gangs and jihadists with british passports.deny the non integration of the islamics,they wont even donate blood in case it goes to a non muslim. its ok to be racist tho if your not white.
also id really ask how stupid you look when you squeal racist,racist,racist as the EDL has plenty of coloured members and lads that are married to coloured lasses.try you tube for the edl dudley speech off the rasta and indian lass for starters....jeez that was mega racist! dont fit the lefty agenda tho does it!
maybe the conservative councillor Blaine Robinson will point out to you how racist the EDL is?
sad little weak left wing self loathing empire apologists.
Mr r weale
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6:28pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman wrote:ok let me make myself clear I detest multiculturalism because it destroys races, and countries no matter what country it happens in.
Mr Weale you are a very mixed up person. You say you think Multiculturalism is evil and Don't like it.yet in the next breath you say you don't have a problem with any immigrant that has made it to these shores? What is it you are actually against? Does the immigrants colour matter more to you. Does it matter if the immigrants are chinese,japanese,Or from Israel or the middleast? Or is just black faces you don't like? Any immigrants who make it to this country could contribute to a multicultural society. So decide what it is you are for!!
The immigrants that come here I expect to take on our values and laws and live like we do, those who fail or refuse to integrate have nothing but colonialism in mind.
Why is it now that many criminals abroad are Britons of foreign descent, just today two "British" men were arrested on suspicion of terrorism one was of Somalian origin the other Pakistani why are they always referred to as Britons, and why are our leaders allowing this to happen to undermine and destroy all the great things our country has done in the world ?
satchman
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6:35pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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6:50pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman
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6:57pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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7:06pm Tue 18 Oct 11
satchman wrote:This is the message we are trying to get across but we are constantly branded racist, i don't blame the muslims in fact they are probably feeling similar to me in some of their countries. If you believe that we will ultimately have a multicultural society that will be all love and roses then you are insane. I don't deny immigrants their past and their cultures but shouldn't they be coming here to change all that not bring it with them, and when you bring them in in their millions then they will change the host nation see Sweden, and many other European countries.
Mass immigration threatens this country I agree. But it doesn't mean we have to go around bullying the cultures that are already here. The NHS has been propped up over the years by immigrant staff. Mass immigration can affect any country's cultures in the long run,but usually we can integrate quite well provided it is controlled.As has happened in this country over the years and many other country's world wide who also embrase it.
satchman
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7:20pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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7:35pm Tue 18 Oct 11
alislam.org
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7:37pm Tue 18 Oct 11
http://www.youtube.c
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The Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Organisation UK alone raised more than £170,000 for various UK charities for the benefit of everyone in the society who deserves it:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1AWDuWmvC
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Why can't we all live in peace regardless of our differences? We are living in dangerous times, if we don't stop this senseless hate against each other, our generations to follow will never forgive us for it. Lets spread love as brothers and sisters in humanity.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE.
Wassalam (and peace be on you) all.
Miss Richards
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7:40pm Tue 18 Oct 11
streets in outfits that breach every right that women have fought for, we were never asked if we were happy to allow every immigrant in this country to abuse our NHS which was developed for the tax paying people of this country. Personally I avoid shopping centres and I am always fearful of travelling on public transport incase a friendly peace loving suicide bomber decides todays the day!
There have already been threats made against the Israeli Olympic team next summer in London. If I wanted to live in a country where I was fearful for my life and that of my children I would have moved to the Middle East where everydays a lottery! My last point is, if there are Muslims out there who really do want to live an intergrated peaceful life with the good people of this country, why do we not hear their voices protesting in mass and damming the attrocities carried out aginst inoccent people throughout the world????
Miss Richards
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7:41pm Tue 18 Oct 11
streets in outfits that breach every right that women have fought for, we were never asked if we were happy to allow every immigrant in this country to abuse our NHS which was developed for the tax paying people of this country. Personally I avoid shopping centres and I am always fearful of travelling on public transport incase a friendly peace loving suicide bomber decides todays the day!
There have already been threats made against the Israeli Olympic team next summer in London. If I wanted to live in a country where I was fearful for my life and that of my children I would have moved to the Middle East where everydays a lottery! My last point is, if there are Muslims out there who really do want to live an intergrated peaceful life with the good people of this country, why do we not hear their voices protesting in mass and damming the attrocities carried out aginst inoccent people throughout the world????
satchman
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7:51pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Miss Richards..No government ever asks its people what they want and gives them what they want. What a world that would be if ever it happened!! immigration happens all over the world. Who asked the Amercian or Canadian people if they wanted us as immigrants? Or even the Spanish and French? Immigration happens on a need for people and workers. With immigration comes culture. Do you say to all that if you want to come here you denounce your ways and religion? Because that works both ways,even when we emmigrate to a country. Would you denounce your beleifs and religion to live in another country? Maybe you would who knows..but should you?
Mr r weale
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8:06pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Ahmad123
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8:28pm Tue 18 Oct 11
I am an Ahmadiyyya Muslim.If one types in the word Ahmadiyya in this website, it reveals some 26 results, and a read of some of these results shows time and time again that we are a peaceful community within Islam. Like several communities within Islam (Muslims) in the UK, we don’t preach nor practice any sort of violence, or hatred, instead our eyes are set on community cohesion, charity, interfaith dialogue and helping /integrating into our communities. We cherish this great country because, amongst many things, it tolerates those of different faith and creed. I personally work hard, pay all my taxes and don’t claim a penny of the state. I also obey all the laws of the land and am proactive in building bridges.
The EDL were very narrow minded in their view point in this case and so appear to put all “Muslims” into one melting pot. This potentially sets the pace for genocidal thought processes/ tendencies and we all know what happened during the early part of the 19th century in Germany. Let us be vigilant to the lessons of our very recent collective history and what our forefathers sacrificed their lives for: liberation from fascism
It’s easy to hate, its hard work to get along, let’s all work hard.
Peace, love, and respect to all my English brethren.
alislam.org
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8:34pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Immigration is not a new phenomenon. It is as old a human tradition as this world is. Man has always migrated from one land to another. We are not to stay here in this world for ever. We will live here for another 60-70 years if we are lucky. Don't pass hate to our coming generations. This hate is senseless. Our kids deserve a better future than this.
I don't deny the fact that there are people who would exploit religion (be it Islam or any other religion or ideology for that matter) for their personal, political and financial gains. Don't let their selfish acts change the way you should look at the world and its people.
Let's join each other's hands for a brighter and more beautiful future for our coming generations. Let's not destroy the peace of our own lands with our own hands.
For those who do not know what Worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is, watch this introductory video about us. Listen to the decent dignitaries of the world who know us well:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=lWVqtk_pk
LI
Some of the latest services of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
1. Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association raised more than £170,000 pounds in 2010 alone for various charities of UK. We raised more than £200,000 this year beating our previous record:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1AWDuWmvC
DY
2. Ahmadiyya Muslim UK Peace Bus Campaign:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=rBM7eHIPv
xc
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=166kpdLjv
6g
3. One of many blood donation sessions by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=TgAn7HLbR
h8
We are trying our bit to the best of our humble abilities to bring positive change to the world we live in.
May God be with us all.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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8:41pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Miss Richards wrote:I don't understand why some people are so ignorant. We never asked for churches or cathedrals to be built in Islamic countries, but every religion has a right to express their beliefs, and therefore Christians and people of other religion have the right to express their beliefs. I want to ask you, do you think all of the Muslims are terrorists? your comments make me think that you do. Like I have said that some (minority) extremists do non-Islamic stuff like suicide bombing, but that doesn't mean that all of us believe on the same concept, because we don't.
It beggars belief why anyone with a view on mass imigration into this country should have to justify their opinions or concerns and be labelled as racist just because they do so. We were never asked if we wanted a Mosque in every town and village, we were never asked if we wanted to eat meat from sacrificed animals that had been killed in such a barbaric way and are fed to our children in schools, we were never asked if we were happy to live amongst a culture that accepts the marriage of old men to children, we were never asked if we were happy to watch fearful women walking the
streets in outfits that breach every right that women have fought for, we were never asked if we were happy to allow every immigrant in this country to abuse our NHS which was developed for the tax paying people of this country. Personally I avoid shopping centres and I am always fearful of travelling on public transport incase a friendly peace loving suicide bomber decides todays the day!
There have already been threats made against the Israeli Olympic team next summer in London. If I wanted to live in a country where I was fearful for my life and that of my children I would have moved to the Middle East where everydays a lottery! My last point is, if there are Muslims out there who really do want to live an intergrated peaceful life with the good people of this country, why do we not hear their voices protesting in mass and damming the attrocities carried out aginst inoccent people throughout the world????
Second point is that we allow non-Hilal thinks like Pork and alcohol for non-Muslims in Islamic countries, so what is the big deal if Britain allows us to have Halal meat which is sacrificed in a non-painful and clean way (as Halal meat contains no impurities or contamination).
Third of all culture has nothing to do with religion, besides the stuff you are talking about, also happens here, like how there was British man who fathered nine children with his own daughters? But that doesn't mean that I think that all British people or all Christians are like that.
Plus most of us are proud to walk in the streets wearing Islamic clothes (granted that obeying the laws of this country, we do not cover our faces with veils) but we wear proper scarves and coats. Besides Islamic countries have given rights to women which the western countries have yet to give. Like how Western countries have never had a Woman as a Prime minister or a president for their country, but Islamic countries do. True Muslims always give equal rights to Men and Women, but unfortunately some cultures (NOT religions) overrule those rights.
How can you say that every immigrant abuses the NHS system, because most of the immigrants pay for their treatments, while most of the money is drained from the NHS because of excessive smoking and alcohol abuse, which is not due to the immigrants.
For your last point there are Ahmadiyya Muslims that do voice their concerns for innocent people. But my question is that do you do the same? Because raising fingers on others won't help those in need.
alislam.org
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8:46pm Tue 18 Oct 11
Immigration is not a new phenomenon. It is as old a human tradition as this world is. Man has always migrated from one land to another. We are not to stay here in this world for ever. We will live here for another 60-70 years if we are lucky. Don't pass hate to our coming generations. This hate is senseless. Our kids deserve a better future than this.
I don't deny the fact that there are people who would exploit religion (be it Islam or any other religion or ideology for that matter) for their personal, political and financial gains. Don't let their selfish acts change the way you should look at the world and its people.
Let's join each other's hands for a brighter and more beautiful future for our coming generations. Let's not destroy the peace of our own lands with our own hands.
For those who do not know what Worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is, watch this introductory video about us. Listen to the decent dignitaries of the world who know us well:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=lWVqtk_pk
LI
Some of the latest services of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
1. Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association raised more than £170,000 pounds in 2010 alone for various charities of UK. We raised more than £200,000 this year beating our previous record:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1AWDuWmvC
DY
2. Ahmadiyya Muslim UK Peace Bus Campaign:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=rBM7eHIPv
xc
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=166kpdLjv
6g
3. One of many blood donation sessions by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=TgAn7HLbR
h8
We are trying our bit to the best of our humble abilities to bring positive change to the world we live in.
May God be with us all.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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9:09pm Tue 18 Oct 11
edl rowley member wrote:I don't know why you have to spread lies like this, but dear friend not ALL Muslims are like that.
Its it true that there are no go areas within England that are controlled by Muslims ? ( yes ) is it true that that they have lived with in our land for the last 30 years and still refuse to speak English or even bother to learn it (yes ) its it true that they are brought up to have no respect for any and other faiths ,such as Christian ? (yes) is it true that the islam cult is spreading like fire through the world to the point that they start to behead none believers (yes) is it true that the words merry Christmas is a insult to them ?( yes ) its it right for them to disrespect the the ones who died for your freedom that you enjoyed so much while growing up ? ( no )
No its not right ! But it is happing , its happing here in England Birmingham and the rest of the country .
we the edl dont want them dead we just want it to stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go on face book and type in >>>
"Educate children the evils of islam now before its to late"
click on the links and see for your self the so called religion of piece !
I am an Ahmadi Muslim and I am speaking to you in the English Language. All of our programmes and get-togethers are done in English language. By the way if any one wants to check ESOL classes happening all over the country then they can see many Muslims speaking and learning English.
We are taught to respect all faiths, and it is actually against Islam to disrespect any religion. In fact for those who don't know, we believe in all Holy books, including The Bible (which I have in my house, along with the Holy Quran), and we also believe in all of the Prophets including Jesus. We also hold several Peace Symposiums with Christians, Sikhs, Hindus etc.
It is un-Islamic for true Muslims to hurt, kill or behead any one. It doesn't matter if a person is non-muslim, everyone in this world is entitled to their own belief.
" There should be no compulsion in religion." (Holy Quran, Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 257)
Although we do not believe in Christmas, we give greeting cards and gifts on these occasions to our Christian friends, just like when we give Eid gifts and cards to everyone. So my point is that words like Merry Christmas are not an insult to us.
And it is not right to disrespect anyone at all.
Miss Richards
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10:07pm Tue 18 Oct 11
I would firstly like to correct you on the point that 'this country has never had a female Prime Minister' Actually we had, a little known person, by the name of Margaret Thatcher.
Also the point you made about the fella having 9 kids from his daughter, this is extremely uncommon but I beleive the marriage of an adult man to young girls is very common practice in some countries!
Also I recall listening to a radio program a couple of years ago where the NHS had released expenduture figures for the end of the financial year. One expenditure was £17 million on treating immigrants with HIV another was £11 million on immigrants with Hepatitis. Not all pay their own way!!!!
Dangermouse1
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11:30pm Tue 18 Oct 11
QAhmad
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7:31am Wed 19 Oct 11
2. Religion transcends culture it is not exclusive. So there are Muslims of all colours and Race.
3. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community against whom the protest was done is a peace loving tolerant community contributing to British society in so many different ways; charity fundraising, blood donations, peace campaigns.
And the motto of the community is 'Love for All Hatred for None'. How can anyone protest against this! Check out www.loveForAllHatred
ForNone.org
Arthur22
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12:28pm Wed 19 Oct 11
It's those who do not integrate and would turn parts of our towns and cities by stealth into Islamic enclaves and introduce shari'ah law by the back door.
We are against the preachers of hate who openly preach violence against gays and Jews in many mosques up and down the country, who oppress women and children by forcing them to dress Islamicaly.
We are against those who would blow us up on tubes and buses, innocent people on their way to work, or blow us up on planes when we go on holiday.
We do not protest out of hate but through love, love of our country and for the future of our children and grandchildren, that they can live their lives free of the oppression of the Islamists.
I would say to the local Ahmadiyya community that if you really are peace loving, integrated muslims then enter into a dialogue with the local EDL, I am sure that you will find them willing to listen.
Maybe you could even join a demo against the Islamists who are giving decent muslims a bad name.
satchman
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12:34pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Arthur22
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1:02pm Wed 19 Oct 11
If they are peaceful, then enter into a dialogue, they had every chance to do so on the day.
Instead they have lied and said EDL attacked them. Which they did not.
Arthur22
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1:02pm Wed 19 Oct 11
If they are peaceful, then enter into a dialogue, they had every chance to do so on the day.
Instead they have lied and said EDL attacked them. Which they did not.
satchman
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1:27pm Wed 19 Oct 11
garyfieness
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1:39pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Miss Richards wrote:Why do you think you have the right to be asked if someone legally wants to build a mosque? If you are too scared to go on public transport for fear of 'brown people' I pity you and suggest you be britihs and grow a backbone.
It beggars belief why anyone with a view on mass imigration into this country should have to justify their opinions or concerns and be labelled as racist just because they do so. We were never asked if we wanted a Mosque in every town and village, we were never asked if we wanted to eat meat from sacrificed animals that had been killed in such a barbaric way and are fed to our children in schools, we were never asked if we were happy to live amongst a culture that accepts the marriage of old men to children, we were never asked if we were happy to watch fearful women walking the
streets in outfits that breach every right that women have fought for, we were never asked if we were happy to allow every immigrant in this country to abuse our NHS which was developed for the tax paying people of this country. Personally I avoid shopping centres and I am always fearful of travelling on public transport incase a friendly peace loving suicide bomber decides todays the day!
There have already been threats made against the Israeli Olympic team next summer in London. If I wanted to live in a country where I was fearful for my life and that of my children I would have moved to the Middle East where everydays a lottery! My last point is, if there are Muslims out there who really do want to live an intergrated peaceful life with the good people of this country, why do we not hear their voices protesting in mass and damming the attrocities carried out aginst inoccent people throughout the world????
edl rowley member
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3:10pm Wed 19 Oct 11
QAhmad
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3:24pm Wed 19 Oct 11
edl rowley member wrote:The actual stall on the day held by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was promoting peace and 'Love for All Hatred for None'. On the one hand you say we should promote peace as Muslims, and when we do so, our stall is hijacked. Personally I think this was all a misunderstanding.
If the Muslim community believe in protesting in things that are wrong toward there faiths and believes , such as when some one draws a cartoon, why aren't they out on the streets protesting against the MAC the ones who are putting them in a bad light within this country , ? WHY BECAUSE THEY THINK MAC ARE RIGHT in what they are doing .
Please check out the real teachings of Islam as practiced by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community on www.alislam.org
Exposing Jihad
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4:54pm Wed 19 Oct 11
They have a Jewish Division which is just a show for the media as the EDL have more members convicted of paedophilia than they do Gays, women or ethnic minorities. On top of that, they have allied themselves, either with the support of their wife-beating and drug taking leaders, and sometimes without, with groups like Combat 18, BNP, National Front and other far right racists. Not to mention they allied themselves with the JTF, a terrorist organization.
The EDL openly boast of attacking and burning Mosques, attacking Muslims (They put videos of them attacking Muslims on their pages), terrorizing women and children because they look brown and Muslim.
As for the idiots on here claiming that these were the Muslims who apparently state all non-Muslims should die: prove it. Where is the proof that the Ahmadi Muslims were doing that?
And as for that other idiot saying the Ahmadiyya Muslims should engage in dialogue with the EDL: get lost. The EDL were offered a chance for dialogue by a mosque they were opposing. The EDl refused and continued chanting racist and offensive slurs and intimdating women and children leaving the mosque.
Educate yourself and your children on the evils of the EDL before it's too late! Have a look at http://twitter.com/#
!/everythingedl
Exposing Jihad
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4:54pm Wed 19 Oct 11
!/everythingedl
Exposing Jihad
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5:02pm Wed 19 Oct 11
And recently, a racist EDL member posted on her Facebook page about how a Muslim woman had died after ehr burka got stuck in a car, and said she laughed so hard and wished there was a video so she could keep watching it and laughing. This racist EDL member, with a racist tattoo, was then attacked later on (she claims she was, although there was no proof of it) and when others were laughing at this racist, she got angry and her and her EDl members decided to terrorize those young men, posting their addresses online at racist websites so they could be attacked.
edl rowley member
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6:02pm Wed 19 Oct 11
QAhmad wrote:make a stand against MAC and i'm sure the rest of the piece full ones within your community will push out the extremeness ones but longer it takes you to make a stand the older your youths get' then there will be a point of no return,
edl rowley member wrote:The actual stall on the day held by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was promoting peace and 'Love for All Hatred for None'. On the one hand you say we should promote peace as Muslims, and when we do so, our stall is hijacked. Personally I think this was all a misunderstanding.
If the Muslim community believe in protesting in things that are wrong toward there faiths and believes , such as when some one draws a cartoon, why aren't they out on the streets protesting against the MAC the ones who are putting them in a bad light within this country , ? WHY BECAUSE THEY THINK MAC ARE RIGHT in what they are doing .
Please check out the real teachings of Islam as practiced by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community on www.alislam.org
STAND UP AND BE BRAVE !!
Exposing Jihad
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6:20pm Wed 19 Oct 11
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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7:45pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Miss Richards wrote:Miss Richards, I don't get what your point is? On one hand, you are talking about the Muslims and on the other hand you are talking about the immigrants? What is the link here?
LFAHFN
I would firstly like to correct you on the point that 'this country has never had a female Prime Minister' Actually we had, a little known person, by the name of Margaret Thatcher.
Also the point you made about the fella having 9 kids from his daughter, this is extremely uncommon but I beleive the marriage of an adult man to young girls is very common practice in some countries!
Also I recall listening to a radio program a couple of years ago where the NHS had released expenduture figures for the end of the financial year. One expenditure was £17 million on treating immigrants with HIV another was £11 million on immigrants with Hepatitis. Not all pay their own way!!!!
You do understand that all the immigrants have different religions and beliefs, don't you? And HIV and Hepatitis depends on the person's lifestyle, NOT on their religion or culture or their STATUS.
So you hear from an old radio program that NHS loses a lot of money because of immigrants, then what % did this make out of the NHS budget? I don't think a lot! besides the Majority of the immigrants do pay for their treatment and NHS spends a lot of money on other things as well.
The point I am trying to make is, that just because some people do wrong things doesn't mean that all of them do the same. Just because you see an adult person marrying young girls, doesn't mean all do the same, because they don't, and it is not common (if you want to take the time to learn about the true teachings of Islam then you can see the truth). And if some man or woman (no matter what their religion or culture is) wants to marry a younger person (who is legal enough to marry and is not forced in it), then there is nothing we can do about that! It is there right, and they are entitled to do whatever they want!
And that's the point I was trying to make when I mentioned the British guy, that the stuff you hear in media are extremely uncommon and don't represent the majority of the population.
Media loves to give stories about how a MUSLIM did this or that, without caring if that person even practiced their religion or not. And if there is a story about someone else, then they don't tell about their religion. Is this fair?
Is it fair that people believe that all Muslims are same and don't realise that in actual fact there are 73 different types of Muslims?
Is it fair that those so-called Muslims who terrorize people belong to a certain type of group or sect, and the rest of the Muslims don't have anything to do with it and have never done anything so horrible? And are actually peaceful and law-abiding citizens.
And is it fair to those loyal, hardworking, tax paying immigrants, when you label them together with those who do illegal things?
NO!
Why can't we live together peacefully, without any discrimination and prejudice behavior?
If you don't want to be scared all your life, and if you want to be confident and bold, then you need to give others a chance. And you need to learn the signs of recognizing peaceful and friendly people. And you can only do that if research the whole truth, and not believe all that you hear!
toban
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10:23pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Mr r weale wrote:www.loveforallhatred
This is just the type of Bias journalism that creates division in our communities you all fall over yourselves to help the poor foreigner when they want to promote awareness, but when we have honest Indigenous Brits who are quite equally trying to raise awareness of what this countries leadership are doing to it then you ignore it. I shall be telling all my family and friends to boycott your paper and many of them will withdraw advertisements see how you like that.
fornone.org, www.alislam.org
Sky free view 787
enquiries@ahmadiyya.
org.uk
Loyalty, Freedom, Equality, Respect, Peace and toralence. These are the guiding principle of every Ahmadiyya Muslims who believe in the advent fo promised messiah (as) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
As Ahmadiyya Muslims we believe that we must abide by these values in our daily life, to help and foster a sense of unity, community cohesion,harmony and peace in our local societies.
Ahmadiyya Muslims;- we serve humanity regardless of their faith, belief,colour or creed.
In Britain alone: visit www.mkcc.org
We have raised pounds and pounds for British region but selling poppys, Macmillan Cancer research, BHF, save Children UK etc.
Protecting the sanctity on mankind;
Islam Ahmadiyya emphasises the sanctity of life and unequivocally rejects any form of violence, demonstrations which can cause destruction,terroris
m in any form including suicide bombings.
All Muslims MUST promote peace at every level, shun hatred and discord.
Islam does not or permit anyone to kill any body Jew, Christian, Pagan or infidel as some people call it. No one is allowed according to Islam to kill or force anybody any religion or faith everyone has right to believe or not to believe.
No compulsion in any religion Quran 2:257
Equal rights for Women and Men according to Ahmadiyya Muslim.
Men and Women and people of all races stand equal in the sight of Allah(God, Mungu, Yahwa or whatver name you call him. Only righteous deeds elevate one person above another and this opportunity to excel over others is open to all.
As Ahmadiyya Muslim we are here to share values with everyone. We are proud to be British, We shall continue to raise awareness and help people have better understanding of Islam. Islam means peace NOT Terrorism and anyone who kills innocent people he serves his interests not God.
The founder of Ahmadiyya Muslim( Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) said " The mission for which I have been appointed is to remove that growing gap in the relationship between Man and his creation and replace it once again with relationship of love and sincerity and by allowing the truth to manifest itself, cause religious wars and discord to end and thus lay the foundation of peace.
Message to all readers:
We must learn to live and share good values in order to promote peace in our local communities regardless of our diferences in faith or creed we are all from Adam and Eve.
Everyone must be proud with this country with freedom of Worship. Ihumbly request the so call Muslim Countries to allow let Christians, Hindu, Jew and other minority groups to worship and practice their faith.
As a convert to Ahmadiyya Muslim I feel so proud that I can't demonstrate to harm other people, I have better understanding of Jihad which means to strive in inner self, to purify yourself NOT to kill innocent people.
I am proud to help and raise Money for Charities, donating blood to help sufferings regardless white, black or Gold humanity is humanity.
If you have anything you want to do whiuch can help in local community contact AHMADIYYA MUSLIMS WE ARE HAPPY AND READY TO OFFER VOLUNTEERS, to Clean Church Compound charity events Ring or email
May God bless everyone.
Love for all hatred for none!
Brunette Bimbo
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10:48pm Wed 19 Oct 11
Mainstream politicians either arent listening or arent brave enough to face the facts and the introduction to the EDL Were Coming Down the Road book said it all for me. Absolutely nailed on why people have turned to this movement, and its tiresome to keep seeing the 'racism' 'thug' 'knuckledragger' tags.
Mr r weale
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11:35pm Wed 19 Oct 11
and that your goal is world domination. You can keep your God and your religion many of us have enough to think about without seaking absolution from a foreign god.
Exposing Jihad
says...
3:09am Thu 20 Oct 11
First of all Taqiyya: http://spencerwatch.
com/2010/08/15/silen
cing-spencer-taqiyya
-and-kitman-are-part
-of-judeo-christian-
belief/
The argument raised against Muslims regarding Taqiyya by the modern day anti-Islamic Nazis is no different than their inspiration, the actual Nazis, who used the Jewish concept of Kol Nidre (http://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre) against the Jews and said the Jews could never be trusted as they were allowed to lie and break all oaths and promises. That Nazi argument is being regurgitated by people like Weale and other Nazis in the the Trans-Atlantic Anti-Muslim Jihadist Groups like the EDL and SIOA.
As for Kitman, all I will say is this: the family that housed Anne Frank and her family and protected them from Nazis, was performing Kitman. Were they diabolical?
It's so funny hearing morons throw around words like Taqiyya when they do not even know what they mean. All they do is regurgitate Nazi propaganda they hear from people like Spencer.
Exposing Jihad
says...
3:17am Thu 20 Oct 11
http://lancasteruaf.
blogspot.com/2011/10
/we-expose-vile-raci
st-biker-as-british.
html
EDL nd Nazi Salutes:
http://lancasteruaf.
blogspot.com/2011/10
/ginas-nazi-pals.htm
l
As I said before, educate yourselves and your hildren on the dangers of the racist, violent, paedophilia supporting EDL before it's too late:
http://twitter.com/#
!/everythingedl
satchman
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7:54am Thu 20 Oct 11
maniac
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2:29pm Thu 20 Oct 11
If moderate muslims wanted to except the normal british way of life and customs they are welcome here. If not I personaly prefere they go were they are welcome. For your information before the falsehoods continue I am not a thug a nuckle drager or a Football hooligan,I just happen to love the country and customs that our relatives fought and died for.
Mr r weale
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5:23pm Thu 20 Oct 11
Exposing Jihad wrote:For your information Exposing Jihad I do not support the EDL, I am a British Nationalist. I find it Ironic that you use the Jews as an example of taqqiya, I see you are also well versed in the usual leftist rhetoric to use Jews and Nazis to try to stop a debate. How do you feel about Israel taking the lands of Palestinians are you happy for the Jews or do you hate them ? Using Taqqiya you will say you are their friends whilst in your heart you hate them. I use my real name on these comments and it is disrespectful to use someones surname as an address, but you wouldn't care about that, this is part of our culture being respectful and using proper terms of address.
Weale once again proves that the racist EDL cannot ever abide any Muslim. If a Muslim tries to be good and says he stands against extremism, then he is lying and we get the whole Taqiyya argument. What's funny aout that is that morons like Weale do not know anything about Taqiyya or Kitman. So let me educate you on Taqiyya and Kitman, Weale.
First of all Taqiyya: http://spencerwatch.
com/2010/08/15/silen
cing-spencer-taqiyya
-and-kitman-are-part
-of-judeo-christian-
belief/
The argument raised against Muslims regarding Taqiyya by the modern day anti-Islamic Nazis is no different than their inspiration, the actual Nazis, who used the Jewish concept of Kol Nidre (http://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre) against the Jews and said the Jews could never be trusted as they were allowed to lie and break all oaths and promises. That Nazi argument is being regurgitated by people like Weale and other Nazis in the the Trans-Atlantic Anti-Muslim Jihadist Groups like the EDL and SIOA.
As for Kitman, all I will say is this: the family that housed Anne Frank and her family and protected them from Nazis, was performing Kitman. Were they diabolical?
It's so funny hearing morons throw around words like Taqiyya when they do not even know what they mean. All they do is regurgitate Nazi propaganda they hear from people like Spencer.
satchman
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5:37pm Thu 20 Oct 11
Mercurius
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8:30pm Thu 20 Oct 11
I've seen many demonstrations on the 24-hour news channels and it always strikes me as blatantly obvious that UAF and other extreme left-wing thugs turn up at every peaceful EDL demonstration and riot. UAF are known to throw fireworks at the police (this is tantamount to throwing explosives, and just as dangerous), destroy walls, pavements and roads so they can throw bricks, paving slabs, poles, pieces of wood, etc at the police and EDL. But UAF is never prosecuted. They are rewarded! They should be banned as a violent and dangerous organisation. History teaches us that Nazis used to do that.
The English Defence League should be congratulated for standing up for the rights of Britons: our rights. This is our country after all.
However, the media in this country has a policy of lying about patriots as that is one of the National Union of Journalists bylaws
satchman
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8:33pm Thu 20 Oct 11
Miss Richards
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8:53pm Thu 20 Oct 11
Exposing Jihad
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12:06am Fri 21 Oct 11
The EDL mission statement is a bunch of bull. They claim to be a human rights organization, only they attack Muslims and any person that looks brown and then post about this on their Facebook pages. There is a large archive of EDL harassment, violence, racism, sexism and general thuggery at http://twitter.com/#
!/everythingedl. The EDL has committed arson against mosques, **** in the foyers of mosques, attacked women and children, beaten old men up and **** on Westminster Abbey AND allied themselves with a terrorist organization. And they have done all of this with the support of their members and leaders and have even posted pictures and videos of these on their sites and pages.
You are a thug and knuckledragger. What else can I call you when you support a group of racists founded a wife beating BNP member who are against all Muslims and attack them and burn their mosques and whose most famous member is a terrorist who specifically targeted children because they were not white?
@Weale:
It’s not rhetoric. I want you to know why the Taqiyya argument is used against Muslims nowadays. It is purely a regurgitation of the Kol Nidre argument used against the Jews. Ofcourse, you will never acknowledge this. So let me ask you: what was the Kol Nidre argument the Nazis used against the Jews? Google is your friend. When you actually look it up, you will understand why I brought them up.
As for Israel taking the land of the Palestinians, I do not blame Jews for that. Zionism has as much to do with Judaism as Nazism with Christianity. Zionism is mostly a Christian End Times concept, which states that for Jesus to return, all the Jews must be in what used to be Israel so that they can be killed and their blood will herald the Second Coming of Christ. Who will then promptly declare war against the infidel and kill all non-Christians. That is why I oppose Zionism and the actions of the terrorist state of Israel.
As for the Taqiyya argument, I see you have not read the link I posted. If you did, you would see that when you use the Taqiyya argument against Muslims, it just makes you look foolish to someone who is well informed on the subject. Someone like me. Hence I cannot take you seriously. So here’s what you should do: read the link I posted and educate yourself on why the Taqiyya argument as you are using it, and as popularized by that odious **** Spencer and his bimbo cronie Geller, is utterly wrong.
As for being respectful, I have no intention of being respectful to a British NAZIonalist who regurgitates anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda.
@Mercurius:
Sod off. Muslims are allowed to have bookstalls in this country. And if someone reads the literature they hand out and converts, that is allowed too and protected by the law. You being offended by someone converting however is not protected by the law, so once again: sod off.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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12:43am Fri 21 Oct 11
Mercurius wrote:This is a British country, which gives freedom of religion and equality. And Britain is proud to have such great values, but sometimes people like you undermine these values. Besides I think you don't understand that there are many white people who are Muslims too, so to say that this is not their country is really wrong! As colour or race doesn't have anything to do with religion.
Why do Muslims need to have public bookstalls? This isn't a Muslim country so they are obviously trying to convert people. Muslims believe the whole world will convert so they don't understand that not everyone is happy to have Islam shoved down their throats. I suppose this sect of Islam will claim there are no beheadings for converting to a non-Muslim religion, no "honour killings," no stitching up of non-Muslims, etc.
I've seen many demonstrations on the 24-hour news channels and it always strikes me as blatantly obvious that UAF and other extreme left-wing thugs turn up at every peaceful EDL demonstration and riot. UAF are known to throw fireworks at the police (this is tantamount to throwing explosives, and just as dangerous), destroy walls, pavements and roads so they can throw bricks, paving slabs, poles, pieces of wood, etc at the police and EDL. But UAF is never prosecuted. They are rewarded! They should be banned as a violent and dangerous organisation. History teaches us that Nazis used to do that.
The English Defence League should be congratulated for standing up for the rights of Britons: our rights. This is our country after all.
However, the media in this country has a policy of lying about patriots as that is one of the National Union of Journalists bylaws
the Ahmadi Muslims over there were trying to promote peace and harmony, and were creating awareness about the true teachings of Islam. So that people would know that the Majority of Muslims are not extremists or terrorists (its a very small percentage who are, and we have nothing to do with them). In fact this was all done, so people like you could be educated that what you believe is not true.
There are some people who are putting a bad name to Islam because of their wrong and bad actions, BUT we are not one of them, and this was also one of the reason that we had this stall.
Your ignorance shows when you claim that we were trying to convert everybody there. I don't know what gave you this idea, but you are so wrong. We were trying to promote peace and harmony, because there are some people who want to create hatred amongst us, but we are trying to dispel it.
Nobody is "shoving Islam down your throat". If you don't want to increase your awareness about the true Islam then no one is forcing you. But there are many, who would like to know the truth. But don't label all Muslims as extremists, because they are not. Most of them condemn terrorism, and believe in patriotism to the country that they live in, which is Britain for us!
What EDL did was wrong, because no matter what, good, honest and PATRIOTIC people DO NOT take the laws into their own hands. Being against terrorism and extremism is good, but the methods that they are choosing is wrong. AND if you really want people do believe in you then you should correctly identify your opponents.
I am so astonished that they didn't even bother to see if the Ahmadi Muslims were their friends or Foes! If they had done their research then they would have found out that the Ahmadi Muslims are actually peaceful and patriotic community.
We are not claiming but actually DECLARING that there is no beheadings for converting to a non-Muslim religion, no "honour killings," and no stitching up of non-Muslims.
The last Line from chapter 109 from the Holy Quran sums up the basic principles of a true religion.
"For you, your religion and for me, my religion"
" There should be no compulsion in religion." (Holy Quran, Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 257)
So true Muslims do not do extreme acts, and we believe that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. And this is the type of awareness that we are trying to create.
We condemn terrorism and are strictly against violence. This is our country too, and we love it.
Did you realise that terrorists and extremists have actually killed and murdered thousands of Muslims, a lot more than they have murdered the non-Muslims. So in actual fact we are in the same side as the non-muslims are in the war against terrorism.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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12:48am Fri 21 Oct 11
http://www.alislam.o
rg/library/books/Mur
der-in-the-name-of-A
llah.pdf
I have taken a small quote from the book.
"People who persecute in the name of religion are totally ignorant of the essence of religion. Religion is a metamorphosis of hearts. Religion is not politics and its adherents do not make up political parties. Neither is it a nationality with limited loyalties, nor a country with geographical borders. It is the transformation of the hearts – transformation for the good of the soul. The home of religion is in the depths of the heart. It is beyond the sway of the sword. Mountains are not moved by the sword, nor are hearts changed by force. While persecution in the name of religion is the repetitive theme in the history of human aggression, freedom of conscience is the Quran’s repetitive theme."
satchman
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12:12pm Fri 21 Oct 11
Johnny3
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8:49am Sat 22 Oct 11
Johnny3
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8:50am Sat 22 Oct 11
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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3:02pm Sat 22 Oct 11
Johnny3 wrote:Wow, you must be really angry, that you didn't even get the time to research this issue properly, otherwise you would have known that I wasn't lying.
@LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE----------You tell people to study islam more then go on to say "Islam literally means peace", no, Islam literally means submission, typical Muslim lies.
And why should I lie about such small matter! and can you please educate me to what other typical Muslims lies do you know of? Please keep in mind that I can only speak in behalf of my own religion (Ahmadiyya Muslim Community) and not for other Muslim sects.
before I go on any further, I would like to believe, that you must have agreed with most of my comments as you don't seem to have any problem with them, except for the meaning of Islam that I have given.
Maybe you are just doing that for the sake of argument or maybe because you must have been confused when I said a different meaning of Islam.
Coming back to the the topic my dear friend, I'll give you a little bit more insight on this matter. (by the way if you would study about Islam then you would understand my comments more properly, and not accuse me of saying lies. And that's why I am telling people to learn about the true teachings of Islam)
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema" meaning peace, and hence the literal meaning of Islam.
So the first literal meaning of Islam is, in fact "peace" and the second meaning is "submission" i.e. submission and obedience to Allah (God in English language).
Our Islamic greeting for all people (whether Muslims or non-muslims) is -
"As salaamo aly-**** warah-matul-lahee-wa
barakatuh"
it is an Arabic greeting which literally means "Peace and Blessings upon you"
An intelligent person could see the similarity between the word "Islam" and the starting part of the greeting "As- salaamo". Both of them meaning "peace"
Here is a paragraph from alislam.org if you still have any doubts.
(http://www.alislam.
org/holyprophet/The-
Holy-Prophet-A-Messe
nger-of-Peace.pdf)
"Islam a Religion of Peace:-
It is a great distinction of the Holy Prophet (saw) that the very religion he founded bears a name the literal meaning of which is “peace”. The word “Islam” indicates the very essence of the religious system known by that name. The teachings of the Holy Prophet (saw) guarantee and establish peace at all levels and in all spheres: individual, social, economic, national and international.
One who becomes a Muslim not only enters a safe haven but also guarantees it for others.
The Holy Prophet (saw) defined a Muslim as one whose word or deed cause no harm to others. ‘Peace’ is the greeting of Muslims and ‘Peace’ shall also be the greeting of the dwellers of Paradise."
You can understand more about it from our Ahmadiyya Muslim community's official website
And before somebody finds an argument on submission in Islam, I would like to point out, that this concept is found in all religions.
Take Christianity for example, you can find information on Christian submission at this link http://www.africanaq
uatics.co.za/_christ
ian/_articles/submis
sion.htm
or just type Christian submission in google.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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3:02pm Sat 22 Oct 11
And why should I lie about such small matter! and can you please educate me to what other typical Muslims lies do you know of? Please keep in mind that I can only speak in behalf of my own religion (Ahmadiyya Muslim Community) and not for other Muslim sects.
before I go on any further, I would like to believe, that you must have agreed with most of my comments as you don't seem to have any problem with them, except for the meaning of Islam that I have given.
Maybe you are just doing that for the sake of argument or maybe because you must have been confused when I said a different meaning of Islam.
Coming back to the the topic my dear friend, I'll give you a little bit more insight on this matter. (by the way if you would study about Islam then you would understand my comments more properly, and not accuse me of saying lies. And that's why I am telling people to learn about the true teachings of Islam)
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema" meaning peace, and hence the literal meaning of Islam.
So the first literal meaning of Islam is, in fact "peace" and the second meaning is "submission" i.e. submission and obedience to Allah (God in English language).
Our Islamic greeting for all people (whether Muslims or non-muslims) is -
"As salaamo aly-**** warah-matul-lahee-wa
barakatuh"
it is an Arabic greeting which literally means "Peace and Blessings upon you"
An intelligent person could see the similarity between the word "Islam" and the starting part of the greeting "As- salaamo". Both of them meaning "peace"
Here is a paragraph from alislam.org if you still have any doubts.
(http://www.alislam.
org/holyprophet/The-
Holy-Prophet-A-Messe
nger-of-Peace.pdf)
"Islam a Religion of Peace:-
It is a great distinction of the Holy Prophet (saw) that the very religion he founded bears a name the literal meaning of which is “peace”. The word “Islam” indicates the very essence of the religious system known by that name. The teachings of the Holy Prophet (saw) guarantee and establish peace at all levels and in all spheres: individual, social, economic, national and international.
One who becomes a Muslim not only enters a safe haven but also guarantees it for others.
The Holy Prophet (saw) defined a Muslim as one whose word or deed cause no harm to others. ‘Peace’ is the greeting of Muslims and ‘Peace’ shall also be the greeting of the dwellers of Paradise."
You can understand more about it from our Ahmadiyya Muslim community's official website
And before somebody finds an argument on submission in Islam, I would like to point out, that this concept is found in all religions.
Take Christianity for example, you can find information on Christian submission at this link http://www.africanaq
uatics.co.za/_christ
ian/_articles/submis
sion.htm
or just type Christian submission in google.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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3:09pm Sat 22 Oct 11
"We as a community in Islam are not built on the same pattern as the commonly perceived image of Islam on the reflecting mirror of the so-called fundamentalists. Today, therefore, I will endeavour to present Islam to you not with reference to the Muslim behaviour in different countries, but with reference only to the basic teachings of Islam found in the Divine book, the Holy Quran, and the conduct and traditions of the Holy Founder of Islam.
Islam means 'peace'. Therein lies the soul and spirit of Islam. It is ironical that this religion of peace is understood today in the West as the religion of war, terrorism, chaos and disorder -- while in reality Islam is not only peace in name, but peace pervades all its teachings, and works as the key to its understanding. If translated literally, the second meaning of the word Islam is 'submission'. So the words 'peace' and 'submission' create a complete picture of Islam. While peace is in relation to the Muslim's attitude to his fellow human beings and also in relation to the deep content he finds in Islam, the word submission describes the attitude of the Muslim to God. So, in one single word, the entire philosophy of this religion is summed up. It is interesting to note that according to Islam, every true religion must have these two requisite features to indicate its divine origin. All religions, according to Islam, endeavoured to bring man back to his creator on the one hand, and to establish an ideal relationship with his fellow human beings on the other."
to read more you can go to this link http://www.alislam.o
rg/books/study-of-is
lam/introduction.htm
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LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE
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3:22pm Sat 22 Oct 11
I was trying to write the transliteration of our Arabic greeting, but it didn't display properly, so I apologize for the inconvenience caused by this. Hopefully this time it will be displayed :)
As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم) is an Arabic spoken greeting, often translated as Peace be upon you
Umme.Ammara
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7:56pm Sat 22 Oct 11
Ahmadi
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12:00pm Sat 29 Oct 11
Mr r weale
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5:30pm Wed 2 Nov 11
Ahmadi wrote:I have a similar one Ahmadi http://rossrightangl
Anyone who is in doubt about Muslim loyalty to Britain, take a look at this news report about this year's Poppy appeal: www.itv.com/london
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/11/02/but-they-aren
t-really-muslims/
Mr r weale says...
4:32pm Mon 17 Oct 11